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| Krishna’s Personal Form part 2 Posted: 20 Apr 2012 03:52 PM PDT (H H Kadamba Kanana Swami, 30th March 2012, Cape Town, South Africa) Lecture: SB 7.15.25
Devotee: Is it bonifide to say that the pictures which they see of Krishna aren't the artist's rendition? Maharaja: They are artists who have renditioned themselves, but how much transcendental are these artists? And how often are they just painting a picture from their mind? It depends on the artist. Many of these paintings are obviously not revelations. It's not that the artist is looking into the spiritual world, unlike many of our Iskcon paintings. The artists for a while had a school in Italy where they were all together and studied Italian art because it was voluptuous with kind of little angels, and nicely round little young boys, which were all nice forms. Then they used these Italian paintings and turned them into camera pose. They are artists and they can only draw so much. We are musicians, so what else can we play? It's not that all these paintings are necessarily what Krishna looks exactly like in the picture. It doesn't, but Krishna manifests Himself in the pictures. So with the picture it works as being transcendental! You know when you are in the a temple and the deity of Krishna is black. You go to the next temple and He has a round face. You go to another one and the deity of Krishna is black but the face is slimmer. Which one is Krishna? Is His face round? In all the other temples Krishna's face is white! Crazy black and busy white – the artist's concept. The other one is made of brass and gold, so what does He look like? All of these things, because He manifests through these things. But the day you see Krishna in the spiritual world then He may look a little different compared to that picture! The colour of Krishna is not blue. The colour of Krishna is 'sham' which is blackish bluish, because in the rainy season there are rain clouds. Just before the rainy season it is the hot season when the sun is extremely bright (with the effulgence you can hardly see) then the clouds come in front of the sun and because of the bright light it takes on some bluish reflection of the sky. So the two combined together is called 'sham' and that is the colour! So it's about effulgence and it isn't the same. Therefore sometimes they say: 'He's white'. Because the effulgent is so bright! Sometimes they say: 'He is black', And other times they say: 'He is white and so bright.' That is what you get, and some see only the white light and it's so bright! The Upanishad says that behind the white light is His personal face. When you see it all then it all adds up together. The Old Testament also describes how God's personal feature is extremely effulgent. He is whitish and very effulgent, since it's all the same that connects to us all!  Rating: 0.0/7 (0 votes cast) |
| Krishna’s Personal Form part 1 Posted: 20 Apr 2012 03:32 PM PDT (H H Kadamba Kanana Swami, 30th March 2012, Cape Town, South Africa) Lecture: SB 7.15.25
Devotee: Sometimes what I find when I'm speaking to people about the Hare Krishna movement and what I'm getting involved in. If they maybe have some idea already of the movement and have seen some pictures of Krishna. Therefore they are challenging me with questions of His personal form by saying: 'Don't you figure that He is very young?' And I find it very difficult to explain that better since they ask: 'How can He be God? Why does God look like that? How can you claim that He is a little blue boy?' So that is quite a difficult challenge that I find, and it's kind of when they are not at all in that kind of consciousness and you can't present Krishna to them in that way. Maharaja: First of all, the little blue boy – don't buy into that picture, this is an artist's conception. If you look in the Vedic scripture, then it says that the Supreme has both a personal feature and an impersonal feature of energy of the all pervading energy. Not one or the other but both! And it says that: 'The Personal form is like a very effulgent form. A form that is emulating effulgence, with a complexion compared to a darkish bluish rain cloud, like you sometimes see in the sky.' (It already sounds a lot better then the picture of the blue boy). 'And that He is young.' Yes, the Vedic scriptures describe Him as young and at the same time as the oldest. It is said, 'ādyaṁ purāṇa-puruṣaṁ nava-yauvanaṁ ca,' (Brahma-saṁhitā Text 33). He is the oldest and the youngest at the same time! He is the original person. He must be the original of everything! But at the same time He is not bound by the laws of material nature: Old age; wear and tear is the limitation that it exists in matter; Spirit is not limited by wear and tear; So when the body is old it begins to crumble and rot; The teeth disappear; The chin and the nose begin to grow together. And that is a punishment and it is suffering. We suffer when we get old, and we run out of breath. Get up – all the joints ache. You have arthritis and rheumatism and there is God: 'Oh God, got to get up with a sour face because of this arthritis and see everything in mean mood and it feels like a thunderbolt and He's really thrown someone to hell!’ What a materialistic projection! We are talking about a sublime world and a sublime Personality. So it just takes a little more explanation to take it away from the: ‘Oh well, is that? your God? Is He a blue boy?' Yes you think He's a blue boy, but what are we speaking about is the Person who is ever fresh, ever young and yet the oldest, and is effulgent. You see how my explanations can suddenly make it more acceptable! They say: 'I don’t believe in that.' That's okay but then what do you believe in? That is only impersonal but then in His all pervading energy you are limiting Him. But then you say: 'We can have personality and God cannot. We have more than God!' 'Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, and God is a blue boy and we wear bed sheets!' 'My God is Peter Pan.' Is that what you think? Give us a break! So we have to explain, and we can explain! Rating: 0.0/7 (0 votes cast) |
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